Archspire - Carrion Ladder - Single Review
In this episode, John and Derek talk about Archspire's latest single 'Carrion Ladder,' and the conversation shifts to a personal story about human kindness and the importance of being mindful of others, especially in the context of the metal community's values. Take a listen or put your eyes on it.
In this episode, John and Derek talk about Archspire's latest single 'Carrion Ladder,' and talk about the band's extreme metal style, technical prowess, and vocalist Oli Peters's vocal style. They get into the song's chaotic nature and speculate about the band's direction with their upcoming album due in April 2026.
The conversation shifts to a personal story about human kindness and the importance of being mindful of others, especially in the context of the metal community's values.
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00:00:00.080 What's going on? Welcome back to STR.
00:00:02.159 It's 2026. Uh we've had a little break,
00:00:04.799 but we're back. And today we're going to
00:00:06.240 talk about the latest single from
00:00:07.440 Archspire. It is called Carryan Ladder.
00:00:10.480 It is extreme and it's awesome. Let's
00:00:12.320 get into it.
00:00:17.680 What's happening, man? Happy New Year,
00:00:19.119 Derek. Happy New Year to you. Hope uh
00:00:21.199 you are recharged and fully flushed. You
00:00:24.160 were feeling sick the other day, so you
00:00:25.519 had ample diarrhea. You are feeling so
00:00:28.880 much better.
00:00:30.080 to start the new year. And
00:00:31.519 >> I'm back to I'm back to 100%.
00:00:33.760 >> Yeah, you you look suave. You look you
00:00:35.760 look swvelt.
00:00:36.640 >> Well, you know, these things happen and
00:00:38.559 you lose a lot of water weight.
00:00:40.160 >> Well, good. Yeah, I took the time to
00:00:42.480 rejigger my uh temporary home and as you
00:00:45.920 can see, you know, it looks
00:00:47.760 >> mixed it up a little bit.
00:00:49.360 >> Well, a little more vast. Um but yeah,
00:00:52.079 it's uh it's not chaotic in here anymore
00:00:54.640 like uh the song we're about to talk
00:00:56.480 about.
00:00:56.879 >> Oh man. Yeah, this song Archspire uh for
00:00:59.680 the uninitiated is a they build
00:01:02.480 themselves as extreme. I don't like the
00:01:05.119 name extreme music. I I don't know why,
00:01:07.600 but they build themselves as an extreme
00:01:09.760 metal band. And my god, do they fit the
00:01:11.680 bill. These guys are an intense uh
00:01:14.240 progressive metal. I don't there are
00:01:16.960 there's a laundry list of descriptives
00:01:18.960 that can be used for this band. super
00:01:20.960 fast, super technical, super heavy, and
00:01:23.680 they they have some switches in there
00:01:25.360 that are really surprising, and I've
00:01:27.520 always dug it. What are your thoughts on
00:01:29.680 Archspire as a band? A technical death
00:01:32.159 metal. Uh they're from Vancouver,
00:01:34.000 British Columbia. They did raise nearly
00:01:36.960 $400,000.
00:01:39.200 >> They did
00:01:39.680 >> put this record out. Curious if a record
00:01:42.159 label did not want to sign them because
00:01:44.400 they average around 300 beats per
00:01:46.560 minute. Very, very, very fast. I did not
00:01:49.360 love it. I found the vocal patterns to
00:01:52.399 be just obnoxious.
00:02:04.719 Even the first few seconds were just
00:02:06.960 obnoxious. And this is coming from a guy
00:02:09.280 that loves death metal. I love thrash. I
00:02:12.800 love fast music. But for me, all of it
00:02:16.239 did not work. It's just chaos for the
00:02:18.480 sake of chaos, you literally, if you
00:02:21.040 wanted to actually wonder what a pig
00:02:23.680 strung out on cocaine would sound like,
00:02:25.920 Carryan Ladder is for you.
00:02:27.440 >> Yeah, it's a it is a I I do like it.
00:02:30.319 I've been uh a a low-grade fan of Arch
00:02:34.160 Spire for a while. I think I got into
00:02:35.920 them. I watched Dean Lamb, one of the
00:02:38.319 guitar players. He and I believe it's
00:02:40.080 his wife have a uh have a longunning
00:02:42.319 vlog, podcast, whatever you want to call
00:02:44.800 it, and he's he's a pretty astonishing
00:02:46.879 guitar player. So, I've kind of followed
00:02:48.640 him for a while. And this band is pretty
00:02:51.280 wild. But you're right, Ali Peter's
00:02:53.760 vocals are very unique in the death
00:02:57.440 metal, tech death, you know, whatever
00:03:00.080 genre. You know, he's sort of been
00:03:02.480 compared to, you know, Eminem in terms
00:03:05.040 of his fast rap style vocals. And yeah,
00:03:09.040 they're very, very different. They are
00:03:10.959 nontraditional metal vocals to be sure.
00:03:13.680 >> I think that Dean and I believe it's
00:03:15.440 Toby Morelli, keep me honest on that.
00:03:18.159 >> Yep.
00:03:19.440 >> They're great. I love their guitar work.
00:03:22.319 The problem is is that the vocals and
00:03:24.480 the just having to be fast doesn't allow
00:03:28.000 them to actually show off. And I think
00:03:30.480 that they're probably turning off 80% of
00:03:33.360 the metal community because they have to
00:03:35.680 be fast. And with an album that's coming
00:03:38.159 out called Too Fast to Die, it's
00:03:40.319 scheduled to release in April. too fast
00:03:43.519 to die. It's like, okay, we have to
00:03:45.120 write a really fast record and we have
00:03:47.120 to do all the things that those who
00:03:50.319 contributed to the crowdsource want to
00:03:52.239 hear, but that might be the only people
00:03:53.920 that actually buy this thing. I
00:03:55.680 personally am not remotely interested in
00:03:57.680 the full length unless they actually let
00:03:59.920 the band actually write music that has
00:04:02.480 tempo changes, slows down, maybe, you
00:04:05.519 know, allows Ali to sing a little bit or
00:04:08.959 do different kinds of vocal patterns.
00:04:11.360 But I found myself bored about a minute
00:04:13.599 into the record or into the song and
00:04:16.079 it's 4 minutes long.
00:04:17.519 >> Yeah, I it'll be interesting to see what
00:04:19.199 what's on the rest of the the rest of
00:04:21.040 the album. Uh they in their earlier
00:04:23.520 stuff, they do have tempo changes.
00:04:25.600 Things do move around a little bit.
00:04:27.120 There's some dare I say classical style
00:04:29.680 breaks where you get to hear the
00:04:31.759 musicality of the band. Drone Corpse
00:04:34.160 Aviator is one that comes to mind. Great
00:04:36.479 song names from this band, too, by the
00:04:38.560 way.
00:04:39.280 >> Yeah. Yeah. I went back and looked.
00:04:41.040 Well, go ahead. Go ahead.
00:04:42.000 >> No, I went back and looked and and I
00:04:43.680 listened and I did hear the tempo
00:04:45.199 changes. I really hope that they stay
00:04:48.160 true to their past work and too fast to
00:04:51.360 die is not just carrying ladder one
00:04:54.400 after another after another because
00:04:56.639 again, I love blistering speed. I love
00:04:58.800 thrash. I love um you know, technical
00:05:01.600 metal, but this is just too much of
00:05:03.840 everything and just gore guts. And you
00:05:06.400 know, horror movies are good because
00:05:08.000 there's parts where there's gore, right?
00:05:10.639 But and there's a buildup to it, but
00:05:12.880 this is just pure gore and and just
00:05:15.120 annihilation from start to finish for 4
00:05:17.759 minutes. And it's kind of left me going,
00:05:20.320 it's a butcher. It's just one big giant
00:05:22.639 butcher. I I don't necessarily agree
00:05:25.440 with that, which is of course fine
00:05:27.600 because I'm right and you're wrong. But
00:05:29.600 we'll move on. Ouch. Population, bro.
00:05:33.039 You said that
00:05:33.759 >> as always,
00:05:35.840 >> somebody's got to be right, Derek. Am I
00:05:37.680 Am I wrong?
00:05:38.639 >> I guess. I mean, we live in a world
00:05:40.160 where social media finds people that
00:05:42.080 agree with them and then they just sit
00:05:43.680 in an echo chamber and yell at each
00:05:46.000 other about how right they are. So, you
00:05:47.600 can yell at me all you want. You'll have
00:05:49.680 your group of people that love Archspire
00:05:51.680 and then all my group of people that
00:05:53.280 hate them and we'll just yell at each
00:05:54.960 other about how bad they are and you can
00:05:56.639 yell at your guys about how good they
00:05:58.560 are and then you and I will fight on
00:06:00.320 here about how wrong you are. And that's
00:06:02.160 where the love is. That's where our love
00:06:03.680 lies, Derek, is in the in the heat of
00:06:05.360 battle. But you brought up a good point
00:06:06.880 earlier as to why they they chose to
00:06:08.960 crowds or crowdfund this album. The only
00:06:11.600 thing that I read about it was that they
00:06:14.720 wanted to go that route so they could
00:06:16.400 have complete 100% control. And we know
00:06:19.360 that labels when they're going to put
00:06:21.199 their money behind a project, they often
00:06:23.440 want to have some say. And who knows,
00:06:25.759 maybe that is the exact reason why the
00:06:27.680 band went another route because they
00:06:29.600 didn't, you know, they weren't working
00:06:30.880 with a label that agreed with their
00:06:32.560 choices. I don't know. Uh maybe that
00:06:35.120 news will come out later. But uh I am I
00:06:37.919 am looking forward to the rest of the
00:06:39.520 record. Their Spotify description that
00:06:42.240 they posted says the band continues to
00:06:44.479 push the limits of speed and virtuosity
00:06:46.720 while somehow keeping a sharp focus on
00:06:48.479 hooks. Their music, this is what I love,
00:06:50.560 their music sits on a knife edge of
00:06:52.479 quote too much. And just when you think
00:06:54.560 you've hit overload, they drop in a
00:06:56.400 soaring melody or a meticulously crafted
00:06:58.639 clean section long enough for you to
00:07:00.560 breathe before throwing you back into a
00:07:02.800 rap flow vocal assault or some of the
00:07:05.199 fastest drumming you'll ever hear. I
00:07:06.960 think that's pretty damn accurate.
00:07:08.319 >> Dead on. Yeah. Uh don't love it, but I'm
00:07:11.199 glad you like it and glad you brought it
00:07:13.440 to the table because I'm sure that
00:07:15.199 there'll be a number of folks that
00:07:16.800 follow our podcast that will dig it and
00:07:19.039 be into it and that's what we're here to
00:07:20.800 do.
00:07:21.599 >> Yeah, exactly. the rest of the band.
00:07:23.360 Olly Peters on vocals, Dean Lamb and
00:07:25.759 Toby Morelli on guitar, Jared Smith on
00:07:28.319 bass, and Spencer Moore on drums. He
00:07:30.240 just joined last year, replacing Spencer
00:07:33.120 Puit, uh, who'd been with the band for
00:07:34.800 the previous 15 years. And Spencer
00:07:37.039 Moore, for the drummers out there,
00:07:39.280 especially, you know, heavy fast
00:07:41.120 drummers, this guy is is top topnotch.
00:07:44.000 He's incredible. I just watched some of
00:07:46.000 his playthroughs over the past week or
00:07:47.680 so, and he's one of these guys that just
00:07:50.080 I don't want to say he's he's perfect,
00:07:51.520 but he's metronomic with his speed and
00:07:54.000 precision. And it's amazing because he
00:07:56.639 looks pretty effortless. It looks pretty
00:07:58.800 effortless when he's ripping through
00:08:00.639 these parts. And as a guy who spent some
00:08:02.960 time behind a behind a kit and now in
00:08:04.960 front of a kit, uh yeah, I'm always
00:08:07.280 impressed by by top level talent. And
00:08:10.000 all all the guys in this band are are
00:08:11.840 super super talented.
00:08:13.199 >> Yeah, absolutely. No doubt you you don't
00:08:15.440 write music this fast if you suck. I was
00:08:18.240 watching the Bruins just crush the
00:08:20.000 Rangers and put up nine goals and I was
00:08:22.319 listening to them and it was it actually
00:08:23.680 the music fit the the beatdown that the
00:08:26.560 Bruins put on the Rangers. But, you
00:08:28.560 know, yeah, unbelievably fast,
00:08:31.280 unbelievably precise. Again, I just
00:08:34.159 would like to see the structure of the
00:08:36.559 songs to be a little bit more dynamic. I
00:08:39.279 that's my personal taste. That doesn't
00:08:41.279 make me right. Doesn't make me wrong. It
00:08:43.440 just is my personal preference.
00:08:45.279 >> Yeah. Yeah, you're right, too. I think
00:08:47.120 this this song comes in around 360 beats
00:08:50.240 a minute, which is really damn fast.
00:08:53.440 That is really cooking. But cool. Always
00:08:56.320 good to talk about it. The last thing I
00:08:58.080 wanted to mention before we hop off this
00:08:59.680 call is as we enter into 2026 to to the
00:09:03.839 three folks who hear our hear this
00:09:06.160 episode, I would ask that we all as
00:09:09.680 humans try and and work hard at being
00:09:12.720 reasonable this year on all fronts,
00:09:15.600 whatever it is we're doing. My wife and
00:09:17.360 I had an experience earlier today. We we
00:09:19.600 went out to a restaurant and and Derek,
00:09:22.399 by all means, stop me if if if I go
00:09:24.560 long-winded on this. We went out to a
00:09:26.320 restaurant earlier today and we're
00:09:27.440 sitting there, fine place, nice place,
00:09:29.200 artisan pizza place. And when we got
00:09:31.839 there, there was uh there were a couple
00:09:33.360 of gentlemen sitting at the bar. One guy
00:09:35.360 sitting at the bar and a person, older
00:09:38.959 gentleman in a wheelchair with some
00:09:41.360 pretty significant disabilities. I don't
00:09:43.760 know exactly what the maladies were.
00:09:45.920 Appeared to to to require quite a bit of
00:09:47.839 of care and assistance. And they were
00:09:50.720 chatting. Seemed like all was well. So
00:09:52.959 we sit down, we eat. We'd been there 15
00:09:55.279 minutes or so and we see these two
00:09:57.519 gentlemen walk outside and go get in a
00:10:00.800 vehicle right outside the restaurant,
00:10:02.480 which we could clearly see through the
00:10:04.240 window. Um, within a minute, minute and
00:10:07.200 a half, the able-bodied gentleman comes
00:10:10.959 back into the restaurant, leaving the
00:10:13.680 wheelchair bound person in the vehicle.
00:10:16.720 And at first, I didn't quite think about
00:10:18.160 it. I thought maybe he was getting, you
00:10:19.680 know, take out and he's heading right
00:10:21.200 back out. That was not the case. This
00:10:23.279 gentleman sat back down at the bar and
00:10:25.519 continued to order more drinks. So, over
00:10:27.440 the course of 30, 45 minutes, I've got
00:10:29.920 my eye through the window on the
00:10:31.680 handicapped person in the vehicle
00:10:34.000 outside and his able-bodied person
00:10:37.279 sitting at the bar drinking. And it that
00:10:39.519 seemed kind of shocking to me. Now, I
00:10:41.519 acknowledge that I didn't know what was
00:10:43.440 going on. I don't know what the
00:10:44.720 situation was. This could have been
00:10:46.800 totally fine. But there was enough of a
00:10:49.279 part of me that thought this isn't fine.
00:10:51.920 and that something was off and our
00:10:54.959 server came by and I said, "I have to
00:10:57.279 ask a strange question and forgive me if
00:10:59.760 if if I I hope I'm totally wrong, but I
00:11:02.320 noticed the gentleman and the and the
00:11:04.160 person in the wheelchair leave the
00:11:05.519 restaurant earlier and and he came back
00:11:07.120 in and appears to be at the bar
00:11:08.720 drinking. Do does any are they known to
00:11:11.600 the staff? Is it a friend, a family
00:11:13.279 member? Is this okay?" And the server
00:11:15.680 said, leaned down and got very quiet and
00:11:18.160 said, "No, in fact, all of us as servers
00:11:20.880 have been standing over there watching
00:11:22.800 this person through the window to make
00:11:24.640 sure they're okay in the car." And then
00:11:26.480 they went on to say that this
00:11:28.240 able-bodied person does this regularly,
00:11:31.200 comes in to get food and drinks, or
00:11:33.200 moreover, drinks, puts the wheelchair
00:11:35.519 bound person in the car, and then comes
00:11:37.519 back in and sits for extended periods.
00:11:39.600 To me, that that seemed wrong. Uh, I
00:11:42.320 mean, you wouldn't leave an animal in a
00:11:44.079 car with the windows up. You know, you
00:11:47.120 wouldn't leave a human, I wouldn't
00:11:48.560 think. Now, again, I acknowledge that I
00:11:51.360 don't know the situation here, but it
00:11:53.040 seemed
00:11:54.880 not right to me. They said that they
00:11:58.160 didn't want to make any calls or raise a
00:12:00.399 fuss. They were all very young people
00:12:01.680 working at this restaurant, and I
00:12:03.200 suppose I could understand that. And I
00:12:04.399 said, "Well, I am willing to make a
00:12:06.560 call." And I did. You know, I wound up
00:12:08.480 calling and just saying, "Hey, here's
00:12:09.680 the situation. I could be completely
00:12:11.279 wrong. This may be completely
00:12:12.320 unwarranted. But it seems to me that a
00:12:14.880 person who is not able to take care of
00:12:17.360 themselves is left in a vehicle while
00:12:20.079 their able-bodied friend, family member,
00:12:22.639 what have you, is sitting in a bar
00:12:24.000 drinking ostensibly before they're going
00:12:25.680 to get in the vehicle and drive them
00:12:27.040 both somewhere. You know, the police
00:12:28.560 came. We then were told we could leave.
00:12:30.720 So, we did. So, I don't know what the
00:12:31.920 outcome was, but it it shook me so much
00:12:34.560 that since then, the balance of the
00:12:36.639 afternoon has been me just wanting to
00:12:39.120 know why people don't seem to
00:12:40.720 automatically work on some sense of
00:12:43.279 reason when they make these choices. So,
00:12:45.680 that that's my ask and and I apologize
00:12:47.680 for going so long about it, but it just
00:12:49.440 kills me. And I would hope that we as
00:12:51.760 human beings can just think about the
00:12:54.160 other human beings that we live near and
00:12:56.959 with and around and make better [ __ ]
00:12:59.760 choices with some of these things. You
00:13:01.920 know, again, apologies. I just had to
00:13:03.760 get that out.
00:13:05.200 >> It's your podcast and it's your platform
00:13:07.360 and you know, again, the five people
00:13:09.519 that listen are welcome to check out.
00:13:12.639 But I think that metal has always been
00:13:15.760 put the spotlight on the atrocities of
00:13:18.240 the world, right? famine, war, you I
00:13:21.440 mean you name it. Um and I think that
00:13:24.480 this is a great platform to bring it up
00:13:27.040 and there is in this world right now and
00:13:29.920 I brought I mentioned echo chamber
00:13:31.519 earlier there are people that go into
00:13:33.760 the digital world and will go find the
00:13:36.639 people that will agree with them. And so
00:13:38.880 the gentleman that did that to the
00:13:41.760 disabled person, it's not within the
00:13:44.240 realm of reason to believe that he
00:13:46.399 probably went and found the right people
00:13:48.560 told them what he does and they said,
00:13:50.240 "Yeah, that's a great idea. Don't treat
00:13:52.720 him like a a fellow human and and just
00:13:55.519 leave him out there. It's not your fault
00:13:57.199 that he's disabled. I can guarantee you
00:13:59.600 that." And that is the very problem with
00:14:02.240 technology. as great as it is to have a
00:14:04.240 podcast and as great as it is to be able
00:14:06.240 to stay in touch. You and I talk every
00:14:08.399 day. I'm in New Hampshire now. You're in
00:14:10.399 Naples, Florida. We're as far apart in
00:14:12.480 America as we can get we are able to do
00:14:15.600 that. So, there are positive things
00:14:17.279 about uh technology. But I think Metal
00:14:20.240 is very good at highlighting these
00:14:22.160 atrocities and you did a very good job
00:14:24.320 at highlighting an atrocity and asking
00:14:26.959 for people to be kind, be mindful. you
00:14:29.760 know, the fact that that guy wasn't
00:14:31.279 paying attention to how that looks. It's
00:14:33.360 a bad view. It's a bad look for him to
00:14:36.320 do that. And I'm I commend you for
00:14:38.639 actually going out and putting yourself
00:14:41.279 out there to do the right thing for your
00:14:43.199 fellow man. And
00:14:45.519 >> I'm happy for you. I'm glad you did.
00:14:47.680 >> I know. I appreciate that. It just And
00:14:49.920 again, and I was the first one to
00:14:51.440 acknowledge to the the few people that I
00:14:53.360 spoke to about this whole thing that
00:14:55.120 that I don't know the entire situation.
00:14:58.240 This may have all been totally fine. The
00:15:00.880 gentleman in the that you know was taken
00:15:02.480 out and left in the van may be that that
00:15:04.720 may have been exactly where he wanted to
00:15:06.560 be. And the guy who came back in may
00:15:08.800 have been drinking non-alcoholic drinks.
00:15:10.639 I don't know. But it just it really
00:15:12.959 struck me as as uncaring and as you said
00:15:16.560 unkind and not very thoughtful. And then
00:15:19.120 to anybody who didn't know the situation
00:15:20.800 like me, all I had to go on was the
00:15:23.199 appearance. And I thought this seems
00:15:25.120 like this could end very poorly. But you
00:15:27.360 mentioned the metal community and it's
00:15:29.040 one of the great things about the metal
00:15:30.720 community is like they are a very caring
00:15:33.199 thoughtful group of people on average
00:15:35.839 and I mean at name your metal show when
00:15:38.079 there's a lunacyfilled pit on the floor
00:15:41.199 if somebody goes down you will see tens
00:15:44.240 of people stopping and helping you up
00:15:46.639 back up again you know it's they they
00:15:48.560 really seem to give a [ __ ] about one
00:15:50.079 another and that's one of the reasons I
00:15:51.759 like the metal community so much so I
00:15:53.839 guess to that end yeah I I hope that
00:15:55.920 society at charge will think like the
00:15:57.440 metal community and and help their
00:15:59.040 fellow man up when they get knocked down
00:16:00.560 in the pit.
00:16:01.279 >> Well, this is might be a joke in poor
00:16:03.360 taste, but you kind of missed the boat.
00:16:04.959 You should have gone over the gentleman
00:16:06.079 and asked him to go back out to the car
00:16:08.160 and play carry and ladder by Archspire
00:16:10.480 for the individual and then everything
00:16:12.959 would have been fine. So, you missed the
00:16:14.880 boat.
00:16:15.199 >> Yeah.
00:16:16.800 Well, you know, I you know, a lot of a
00:16:19.040 lot of that stuff goes right over the
00:16:20.320 head. So, I'll take it.
00:16:22.880 Again, it might be a poor taste joke,
00:16:25.040 but I, you know, I got to make light of
00:16:26.639 the situation. It sucks. And I'm sorry
00:16:28.480 that you had to deal with that. And and
00:16:30.480 yeah, people be better. You know, be
00:16:32.240 mindful of your actions and the people
00:16:34.000 around you.
00:16:35.040 >> It's not just all about you.
00:16:36.959 >> Yeah. All about you. You're not
00:16:39.279 >> Yeah, I'm as selfish as they come. But,
00:16:41.199 you know, I mean, yeah, there are other
00:16:43.040 people around you that that uh that that
00:16:45.759 need to be looked after sometimes, you
00:16:48.079 know, even if they don't need it. just
00:16:49.440 isn't it nice to think about somebody
00:16:51.519 else for a little while? I don't know.
00:16:53.360 So, that's my ask for our uh for our
00:16:55.759 circles in in 2026. Just be mindful and
00:16:58.399 be reasonable about stuff.
00:16:59.600 >> Yeah, sounds good. I I think it's great.
00:17:01.199 And for those who are keeping score,
00:17:03.040 John is actually a very caring person
00:17:04.640 and I really do like him. Just for the
00:17:06.720 sake of [ __ ] talk, we have to, you know,
00:17:08.480 kind of crap talk each other.
00:17:10.000 >> It's the brand.
00:17:10.799 >> When this started, it's the brand. When
00:17:12.880 this started, there's a third person
00:17:14.319 that we like to make fun of. And so,
00:17:16.240 he's gone. So we still have to make fun
00:17:18.319 of each other even though we get along
00:17:19.679 and we largely agree on a lot of things.
00:17:21.599 So yeah, anyways, Archspire, great song
00:17:24.799 for you and for a number of people,
00:17:28.480 >> not for me, but check it out. Very
00:17:30.480 talented. And I hope that I hope that uh
00:17:33.440 Too Fast to Die is super hit for them
00:17:37.120 and the $400,000 that they received ends
00:17:40.160 up paying dividends.
00:17:41.760 >> Indeed. Indeed. And we just got a bunch
00:17:43.840 of new stickers in as we've got some
00:17:45.760 mini stickers here. Uh if you're
00:17:47.600 interested in it in a little sticker
00:17:49.200 pack, shoot us a shoot us a message and
00:17:50.960 we'll drop some in the mail to you. So,
00:17:52.799 uh with that, we'll see you on the next
00:17:54.640 one. D sounds good. All right, take it
00:17:57.919 easy.



















