CHAMBER - Jacob Lilly - Interview

# CHAMBER - Jacob Lilly - Interview
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00:00:00.160 Historically, Nashville is known as the
00:00:02.080 capital of country music, spiritual, and
00:00:04.319 bluegrass music. These days, however,
00:00:06.799 Nashville is a hot bed of activity for
00:00:09.440 hardcore and metal core bands. Leading
00:00:11.920 that charge is Nashville's own Chamber.
00:00:14.719 And we are very lucky today to have the
00:00:16.160 vocalist from Chamber, Mr. Jacob Lily,
00:00:18.240 joining us. Jacob Lily, thanks for
00:00:20.240 joining us, man. How are you today?
00:00:22.240 >> Doing great, man. Doing great. How are
00:00:23.760 you guys
00:00:24.240 >> doing? Fantastic. Where where do we find
00:00:26.000 you? Are you in Nashville right now?
00:00:27.359 >> Yeah, I'm in Nashville. I flew in
00:00:29.279 yesterday before we start, you know,
00:00:31.519 touring and stuff.
00:00:32.640 >> Congratulations. Today is the day, huh?
00:00:34.880 The release day.
00:00:36.239 >> Yep. Release day.
00:00:37.680 >> Yeah. What's you You guys have got to be
00:00:39.520 excited. This is a an an amazing album.
00:00:42.640 Congrats on putting together such a a
00:00:44.640 great piece of work,
00:00:45.760 >> dude. Yeah. Thank you guys. It's very uh
00:00:48.079 exciting. Uh you know, like you feel
00:00:50.640 like it's an eternity before you can
00:00:52.800 like release music. So, it feels good to
00:00:54.719 be out there and everyone listening to
00:00:57.039 it, you know, and like, you know, a lot
00:00:58.559 of people feel like like we released a
00:01:02.000 single I think in 2020
00:01:04.879 three, four, I don't know. Every every
00:01:06.960 year runs together.
00:01:08.159 >> Yeah.
00:01:08.560 >> Uh, but we released a single and I feel
00:01:10.720 like everyone was like, "Oh, the album's
00:01:12.479 coming." But it was just like a
00:01:13.520 standalone. So, it felt like we had
00:01:15.200 people waiting forever. Uh, you know,
00:01:17.360 and I'm glad it's finally here, you
00:01:20.000 know.
00:01:20.320 >> Yeah. What was the timeline between when
00:01:22.880 you finished recording it and the heavy
00:01:25.920 lifting was done and today?
00:01:27.840 >> Um, I think we finished it I want to say
00:01:31.119 May 2025.
00:01:33.600 Uh, like I finished recording vocals in
00:01:36.159 May, I want to say. Um, but we started
00:01:39.040 it I want to say in late 2024 cuz we
00:01:42.640 when we did the single we started like
00:01:44.560 pre-production and stuff and then um you
00:01:48.479 know sat on it for a little bit and then
00:01:50.640 went back and like did the record and
00:01:52.880 then I went back and did it was it was a
00:01:55.520 long time for sure but I think in 2025
00:01:58.479 of May we finished everything and then
00:02:00.880 like probably had mixes like two weeks
00:02:02.799 after that and we're not very like picky
00:02:05.600 I don't think and like I think Ry's
00:02:07.200 really good at what he does. So, like
00:02:08.800 when it comes to like mix notes and
00:02:10.318 stuff like that, it might be like two
00:02:11.520 rounds and then we're just like, "Yeah,
00:02:13.120 it's done."
00:02:13.680 >> Well, that's that's not bad. Yeah.
00:02:15.280 >> Yeah.
00:02:15.760 >> You mentioned Randy Labou, who is the
00:02:17.680 producer of This Is Goodbye. Uh the
00:02:20.480 album has been, you know, to me it's an
00:02:22.480 intersection of math core and hardcore.
00:02:24.560 Um was there a just a goal for going in
00:02:27.520 and being just as noisy and miserable
00:02:29.760 and chaotic as possible? Like what was
00:02:31.920 the goal of this record? Uh, I mean, I
00:02:34.560 guess the goal was really just to one up
00:02:37.519 our last record and like I feel like
00:02:39.680 when we did our last record, A Love to
00:02:41.680 Kill For
00:02:43.920 this and with Randy, I feel like he's
00:02:46.640 always like there's no rules. We can do
00:02:48.319 whatever you want, whatever we have our
00:02:50.640 mind set to. And I feel like he's really
00:02:52.879 good at just like pushing us to that
00:02:54.640 limit. And like to be fair, like he I
00:02:57.519 think not a lot of people in the world
00:02:59.760 of like production
00:03:01.760 would push us push us that far and he
00:03:04.959 just does it, you know? He gets it and
00:03:06.959 he's like absolutely just as chaotic as
00:03:10.000 we are. Like it makes it makes sense,
00:03:12.080 you know? He makes it make sense.
00:03:13.599 >> How much of the uh vocal work was
00:03:15.200 written on the fly along with the uh the
00:03:17.440 rest of the music for this album?
00:03:19.440 >> I would say quite a bit. like when uh
00:03:22.239 when we get like done like pre-pro or
00:03:24.640 you know having like the final final
00:03:26.959 like track done, we'll like take it and
00:03:29.840 start doing like gibberish like vocal
00:03:32.159 patterns over it just to like get ideas
00:03:34.480 of like what we can fit and write
00:03:36.400 lyrically there. And so like a lot of it
00:03:38.480 like is like late nights in the studio
00:03:40.879 like staying up late just writing down
00:03:43.360 you know your thoughts like our guitar
00:03:45.200 player uh Gabe and Henry both like help
00:03:48.159 lyrically. I don't do too much because
00:03:50.239 it's they're very smart. So like they
00:03:52.879 write some crazy stuff and like we just
00:03:55.200 all kind of collab on the vocal patterns
00:03:57.040 and stuff and make it make it make
00:03:58.720 sense, you know?
00:03:59.439 >> Yeah. Do would you say that that you as
00:04:01.840 a as a writing team, do you guys sort of
00:04:04.000 have a mental stockpile of ideas or
00:04:06.319 concepts that are kind of rolling around
00:04:08.720 and you pull from that stockpile or
00:04:10.879 would you say that in the instance of
00:04:12.640 this album that which was largely done
00:04:14.799 written in the studio? Is it all just
00:04:17.358 you're feeding off exactly what you put
00:04:19.600 down minutes before or hours before? Uh,
00:04:22.800 I think like a little bit of both, you
00:04:24.800 know, like you're gonna always like kind
00:04:27.120 of have ideas in your head like
00:04:28.960 throughout the days or months prior to
00:04:31.600 recording music. Like even like like
00:04:33.759 same things with like riffs and stuff
00:04:35.440 like not everything's written on the
00:04:37.280 spot, but like most of the stuff kind of
00:04:40.400 has to be just to make it fit, you know,
00:04:42.880 cuz like it is chaotic. There's like a
00:04:44.880 lot of stuff going on and like I feel
00:04:46.800 like if vocally there is a lot of stuff
00:04:49.280 going on, it could be too much. So, I
00:04:51.280 feel like outside of like writing a lot
00:04:53.520 in the studio cuz like you can just say
00:04:55.680 [ __ ] it like and not think too much
00:04:57.919 about it, you know, but like at the end
00:04:59.680 of the day like it comes out pretty
00:05:01.280 sick.
00:05:01.759 >> Yeah. I tried to sing like you in the
00:05:03.600 car cuz that's where I do a majority of
00:05:05.360 my listening and uh I lost my voice in a
00:05:08.560 5minute drive. Um, how do you maintain
00:05:12.320 the chaos in the studio or on the road?
00:05:15.199 Is there something that you do to is it
00:05:17.360 has to be more than just honey and tea?
00:05:19.680 Uh, I'm still figuring it out.
00:05:23.680 >> I feel like your voice, it's kind of
00:05:25.600 like it's kind of like playing an
00:05:27.440 instrument in a way. Like you do it so
00:05:30.320 much. You kind of like like if you're
00:05:32.800 playing guitar, you build up like your
00:05:34.400 calluses on your fingers and stuff like
00:05:35.919 that. I feel like with, you know, harsh
00:05:38.479 singing, it's kind of the same. Like
00:05:40.080 your voice kind of
00:05:41.919 >> kind of like, you know, gets used to it
00:05:44.720 in a way. Um, in the studio I do have a
00:05:47.440 hard time. Uh, like I went back like
00:05:50.320 probably three times just to finish the
00:05:52.320 record just cuz like I would be there
00:05:53.840 for a week lose my voice and be like I I
00:05:57.280 can't like it's not sounding good. I
00:05:58.960 don't know. And like luckily enough like
00:06:00.880 I'm close to the studio so like Ry's
00:06:02.880 like well when you feel comfortable just
00:06:04.479 come back. I'm like all right thank you.
00:06:05.919 Like he's very patient. Um but yeah I'm
00:06:09.120 still still figuring it out. Like a lot
00:06:11.360 of honey a lot of tea. um a lot of like
00:06:14.639 not talking just because like talking
00:06:16.720 does kind of ruin your voice in a way
00:06:19.120 that you don't think especially like in
00:06:20.800 loud rooms like
00:06:22.000 >> if I go like I try to go like when we're
00:06:24.319 on tour I do merch a lot of the nights
00:06:26.240 and like especially when it's loud it's
00:06:28.000 like crap I don't want to be yelling but
00:06:30.240 like I also don't want to be mean you
00:06:31.840 know so
00:06:33.840 but I mean I think there's a lot of ways
00:06:35.600 to help your voice like uh in the studio
00:06:38.479 I learned like steaming is really good
00:06:41.120 like even with like a bowl of hot water
00:06:43.520 and a towel over your head and then like
00:06:45.840 um even like using like he's got the Vix
00:06:48.560 vapor rub like mask thing. I guess it's
00:06:50.800 like a nebulizer or like something with
00:06:52.960 hot steam like doing that like in the
00:06:54.960 morning or at night like definitely
00:06:56.400 helps. Um try not to drink as much
00:06:58.960 caffeine but I do love coffee so it's
00:07:01.280 like whatever.
00:07:02.160 >> Likewise my friend.
00:07:03.440 >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it's it's it's
00:07:05.680 like an instrument in a way. Like I feel
00:07:07.360 like even when we go on tour, like the
00:07:09.440 first couple nights I'm like, "Ah." And
00:07:12.240 then like by the fifth night, if my
00:07:14.000 voice isn't gone, then I'm like, "All
00:07:15.520 right, we made it." Like we're we're
00:07:17.039 good.
00:07:17.280 >> Uh, back to coffee. Uh, are you is your
00:07:19.680 goal solely to get become like a a
00:07:21.759 household metal band? Uh, so that you
00:07:24.000 can make coffee like Mega Death and Lamb
00:07:25.840 of God and Testament and everybody else?
00:07:27.680 >> Dude, we've thought about it just
00:07:30.000 because we're all like pretty into
00:07:32.000 coffee. We love like brewing stuff at
00:07:34.639 home and like you know trying every
00:07:36.639 every new coffee that comes out from our
00:07:38.880 favorite roasters. Like we're like close
00:07:40.639 to some of like roasters in Nashville.
00:07:42.720 Two of the guys work at coffee shops
00:07:44.880 essentially. We could have like a
00:07:47.680 collab. It could be cool. We do
00:07:50.560 >> we do just love drinking coffee. It's
00:07:52.880 [ __ ]
00:07:53.599 >> You guys get right down to the
00:07:54.720 nitty-gritty measuring the grams and all
00:07:56.960 that stuff. Yeah.
00:07:58.000 >> Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:07:58.879 >> Quite a science as I understand it.
00:08:00.639 >> Yeah. It's uh I like I mean growing up
00:08:03.520 coffee is just like oh cool like we'll
00:08:05.039 put I'll put like all the sugar, all the
00:08:07.440 creamer in and out. It's like oh just
00:08:09.120 like a like just a pourover is nice with
00:08:11.039 no milk, no sugar, no nothing. It's
00:08:12.800 good. But I also still like a cup of
00:08:15.919 coffee from Waffle House, you know, like
00:08:17.520 it's nothing like I can still drink the
00:08:19.599 the bad stuff, I guess, quote unquote.
00:08:21.520 >> You back up and and crank down a uh a
00:08:23.759 mug of Sanka every once in a just to
00:08:25.520 keep keep reference. get the Lo's gas
00:08:28.720 station coffee at 3:00 a.m. when we're
00:08:30.720 driving. It's all right.
00:08:32.640 >> With the last record, I I read that the
00:08:35.839 the band kind of felt with a Love to
00:08:38.159 Kill for that the band felt that the
00:08:39.679 previous stuff was a little too pretty
00:08:42.000 was what I came across and really leaned
00:08:45.680 hard into the chaos mode for that album.
00:08:48.560 Where does this is Goodbye sit on that
00:08:51.360 spectrum between Melody for you and the
00:08:54.320 rest of the band? Did you want to follow
00:08:56.320 that same trajectory for This Is
00:08:58.160 Goodbye?
00:08:58.800 >> Yeah, I think so. Like we still wanted
00:09:00.560 to be like just as chaotic and heavy,
00:09:04.160 but like I think to a point where it was
00:09:07.120 like like when we're writing in the
00:09:08.800 studio, we're like, "Holy crap." Like
00:09:10.640 everything we have so far is just
00:09:12.800 insane. So, we took it a step back on
00:09:16.080 some songs just to have a little break,
00:09:18.240 I feel, for the listeners.
00:09:19.920 >> Mhm. Um, but like there's still like
00:09:22.880 it's not like, oh, like this is like a
00:09:24.880 soft song, you know? Like it's just a
00:09:26.560 little less and a little bit more melody
00:09:28.959 than a little than just chaotic, you
00:09:31.600 know? But yeah, it was like I think
00:09:33.600 that's like when we were talking about
00:09:35.680 doing the new record, it was just like
00:09:37.600 let's just like this is who we are. Like
00:09:40.000 we're crazy, chaotic, and just like kind
00:09:42.959 of unhinged, you know?
00:09:44.880 >> Yeah. I you know that that leads me to
00:09:47.040 another question about you know genre
00:09:49.360 labeling and I've seen you guys listed
00:09:52.480 as well I think you guys sort of peg
00:09:55.120 yourself as chaos mosh metal
00:09:57.920 >> psychotic mosh metal.
00:09:59.040 >> Psychotic mosh metal. Yeah. And but I've
00:10:01.360 also seen the label of metal core and I
00:10:04.240 I I hate all these crazy genre labels
00:10:07.920 and all that. They drive me crazy. One
00:10:09.760 because there's so many I don't know
00:10:10.800 what the hell anything is. But I don't
00:10:12.480 know if I would peg you guys as a metal
00:10:14.720 core band. I think you are far far past
00:10:17.839 metal. What What does What do these
00:10:21.040 genre labels mean to you guys as a band?
00:10:23.920 Do you pay any attention to them?
00:10:25.600 >> I mean, not really. I think it's got to
00:10:28.079 a certain point that everything is like
00:10:32.079 there's just a big umbrella, you know,
00:10:33.760 like everything's just like there's
00:10:35.600 hardcore, there's punk, there's metal,
00:10:37.519 and then there's metal core, there's
00:10:39.040 death core. It's just a math core. Like
00:10:41.839 in a way to me like I don't know it's
00:10:44.959 just it's weird cuz like I don't really
00:10:47.600 know what we are either you know like I
00:10:49.440 I see people call us metal core math
00:10:51.360 core. It's just ah heavy heavy music.
00:10:55.279 >> Yeah.
00:10:55.680 >> You know like but I mean there's reasons
00:10:58.560 I guess that there's you know the genres
00:11:00.959 out there but like I don't know it's
00:11:03.680 like I wouldn't call like you know like
00:11:05.839 three days grace metal core but like
00:11:08.000 they're still like kind of a heavy band
00:11:09.920 you Sure. Yeah. Well, and I guess that's
00:11:12.399 why I ask because I think I I wonder if
00:11:14.720 bands feel pigeonholed in terms of how
00:11:17.839 they choose to write and the material
00:11:19.600 that they
00:11:20.880 >> that they share with us the listeners
00:11:23.360 because of labels that they are given by
00:11:26.240 the listening public or for that matter
00:11:28.320 record labels too because as you said I
00:11:30.959 know there's a reason for some of those
00:11:32.560 labels but I wonder what kind of impact
00:11:34.560 it has on you the artist.
00:11:36.640 >> Uh not I don't think too much. I don't
00:11:38.399 think a lot like I don't think people in
00:11:41.040 >> that are writing music are paying too
00:11:43.760 much attention to it, you know?
00:11:45.360 >> Yeah.
00:11:45.920 >> They're just writing music like we're
00:11:47.600 writing music because we just want to,
00:11:49.360 you know, like there's like in a world I
00:11:51.680 guess like we were like, "Oh, we're like
00:11:52.720 a metal core band, I guess." But like
00:11:55.760 >> we're just a heavy band, you know?
00:11:57.360 >> Yeah.
00:11:57.760 >> This is like this is who like whatever
00:11:59.920 you want to call us and we'll take it,
00:12:02.000 you know? Like
00:12:02.560 >> Yeah. Right on.
00:12:03.519 >> Talk a little bit about Nashville. Um,
00:12:05.920 you know, and and we all know what is
00:12:08.560 Nashville is known for. Uh, but what is
00:12:11.279 the metal scene like there? Cuz I I had
00:12:13.760 a bunch of people ask me like Nashville,
00:12:16.399 you know, really. So, we we don't know
00:12:19.360 anybody that's outside of Nashville
00:12:20.800 don't know what the metal scene is like
00:12:22.720 and just feel free to shout out some
00:12:24.320 bands that are in the area, too.
00:12:25.680 >> Yeah. Uh, dude, honestly, like I think
00:12:28.320 Nashville, like despite it being like,
00:12:31.279 you know, country, whatever of the
00:12:34.079 world, like people think of Nashville as
00:12:36.399 country, like I think a lot of people
00:12:38.079 look it over and like there is a lot of
00:12:40.000 like heavy bands and a lot of it's like
00:12:42.160 a lot of cool stuff going on in the
00:12:43.440 scene. Like I mean a a bigger band that
00:12:45.920 tours a lot, Orthodox, you know, um
00:12:48.720 they're from Nashville. So there's like
00:12:50.399 a lot of like smaller up and cominging
00:12:52.079 bands like uh Lethal Method Sick and
00:12:54.639 then there's a band called Officer Down.
00:12:56.639 They're really cool and like dude like I
00:12:58.800 feel like you can't go like a week
00:13:01.360 without like a show that isn't you know
00:13:04.399 the quote unquote like Nashville music
00:13:07.279 like that's like like that everyone
00:13:10.399 thinks of Nashville as like oh it's just
00:13:12.000 like country rock and roll. like there's
00:13:13.920 like every week that there's like a a
00:13:15.760 smaller like metal or hardcore or
00:13:17.839 whatever show like packed out like 200
00:13:20.160 300 kids. I think it's like thriving
00:13:24.000 now more so than ever. Even like when we
00:13:26.320 play here it's just like wow. Like last
00:13:27.760 time we played her I didn't like see
00:13:29.600 half of these people, you know, before
00:13:31.519 and now it's just like bunch of new
00:13:33.360 kids, a bunch of new bands starting and
00:13:35.200 they're all just, you know, and they're
00:13:36.800 all great, better than my first bands,
00:13:39.360 you know, like it's crazy. You've talked
00:13:41.360 a lot about how bands like the Acacia
00:13:43.680 Strain and Rotting Out gave you a sense
00:13:46.079 of community when you were coming up.
00:13:48.399 >> Uh now that you're on the same stages as
00:13:51.040 those bands and playing alongside them,
00:13:54.480 how does it feel seeing kids get that
00:13:56.959 same emotional release from your music
00:13:59.920 that you were getting from their bands
00:14:02.079 back in the day? honestly like pretty
00:14:05.360 unreal, you know, like even today like
00:14:07.360 looking at some of the comments and like
00:14:08.880 kids are like like comparing us to like
00:14:10.959 bands that like we looked up to and like
00:14:13.120 this is like you know album of the year
00:14:14.560 or whatever and I'm just like man like
00:14:16.320 it feels good but it's like kind of like
00:14:18.320 crazy you know like I never like first
00:14:20.480 of all like when we first started
00:14:21.680 touring like I never like thought we
00:14:24.160 like in general just get out as far as
00:14:27.040 we've done like you know we did multiple
00:14:29.279 like full US tours and like went to
00:14:31.440 Europe and like we've played made some
00:14:33.839 shows with our favorite band. So, it's
00:14:35.440 like it's pretty it's just crazy. And
00:14:38.560 now it's just like all right. Like in a
00:14:40.160 way, it's like very fulfilling because
00:14:42.000 it's like I've done like 15-year-old me.
00:14:44.880 It's like I've done everything I've
00:14:46.240 wanted to do musically, you know,
00:14:48.639 >> and now it's just now it's just continue
00:14:50.639 like what else can we do? And it always
00:14:53.040 surprises me, you know,
00:14:54.160 >> when you're saying standing side stage
00:14:56.959 at those shows you're playing with those
00:14:58.880 bands that you used to look up to. Do
00:15:01.040 you is that 15year-old still in there
00:15:03.040 watching them thinking, "Holy [ __ ] you
00:15:05.199 know, I just came off that stage."
00:15:06.959 That's rad.
00:15:07.760 >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Like it's like
00:15:09.440 even like becoming friends with some
00:15:11.279 people that like I like probably was on
00:15:13.360 like my favorite playlist on my like
00:15:17.120 the little iPod shuffle, you know? Like
00:15:19.760 that's just crazy to me. And it it's
00:15:22.079 just I mean but like then people ask
00:15:24.079 like how how did you like not become a
00:15:27.199 local band or not become you know like
00:15:29.920 just like a local artist and I'm just
00:15:31.600 like dude anyone can do it you know just
00:15:34.560 start start like we didn't like get some
00:15:37.680 kind of like oh you got the pass you
00:15:39.680 know like it was just like continued to
00:15:41.519 play like we've all been in bands before
00:15:43.839 like always toured whether it be like
00:15:45.839 played in front of like 10 kids or just
00:15:48.639 one like one of our dads or something,
00:15:51.199 you know? It's like just play music, go
00:15:53.440 on tour, like meet people, connect, and
00:15:55.920 like you could be doing it, you know,
00:15:57.839 like it's just
00:15:58.720 >> so the the formula is just do it, and
00:16:01.440 then keep doing it.
00:16:02.720 >> Doing it, keep doing it, and you know,
00:16:06.000 hopefully it works out. And if not, we
00:16:08.399 you had fun, you know, like I I've had
00:16:11.360 fun, you know, touring with some of my
00:16:13.279 best friends in the van, you know, for
00:16:15.519 what, eight years now. So, it's like
00:16:18.079 it's fun, you know, and just have fun
00:16:20.000 while doing it. That's all you can do.
00:16:21.759 >> While we're talking about touring and
00:16:24.079 going out with friends, um, you know,
00:16:26.240 who's your ultimate tour legend? Like,
00:16:27.759 living or dead? If you could play with
00:16:29.440 them, play a show with them, you had you
00:16:31.920 can die and go to heaven or hell or
00:16:33.920 wherever you want to go,
00:16:35.199 >> whatever you believe in,
00:16:36.959 >> man. Uh, honestly, like as a band, I
00:16:40.880 think like doing a show with Converge
00:16:44.000 would be really sick.
00:16:46.480 Um crap. Yeah, like Converge would be
00:16:50.399 like top for us or me personally. I mean
00:16:53.920 like everyone I I would love Gojira
00:16:57.519 probably.
00:16:59.839 >> Those two I'll keep it at that. Like th
00:17:01.920 like those are some of my favorite bands
00:17:05.119 doing it currently, you know. Um
00:17:07.439 >> what about Dead
00:17:08.400 >> Dead?
00:17:10.640 I mean, I
00:17:12.720 it it would never make sense in a in a
00:17:15.599 world, but like playing a show with Azie
00:17:18.240 Osborne would have been like insane.
00:17:20.240 Like he's a personal favorite.
00:17:23.119 >> Um like growing up that's like pretty
00:17:26.000 much all my mom listened to and my dad
00:17:28.480 as well. So like
00:17:29.600 >> ah parenting.
00:17:31.120 >> Yeah. But like it was always like the
00:17:33.679 ballad songs, you know, like it was
00:17:35.360 never like it was always the hits
00:17:37.679 >> from Azie like in the house. But then
00:17:39.919 like
00:17:40.960 >> branching out when you know whenever I
00:17:43.440 like could myself digging into his older
00:17:46.400 stuff like you're like holy crap like
00:17:48.480 this is
00:17:49.679 >> pretty insane music like you know. Uh
00:17:54.240 but yeah.
00:17:54.880 >> Did you do an ode to Azie when he
00:17:56.799 passed?
00:17:57.360 >> Uh nothing too crazy. I mean, probably
00:17:59.919 Shash Shared, like my favorite record by
00:18:02.000 him, uh, No More Tears. Like, that
00:18:04.000 record front to back is pretty insane. I
00:18:06.160 think I was actually I'm
00:18:08.960 I I don't know. I was either in Europe
00:18:11.760 or something like a week or so when he
00:18:14.720 passed cuz like there was a lot of like
00:18:16.400 memorabilia everywhere. Like I was I was
00:18:18.799 doing some like fest thing in Europe and
00:18:21.280 so like everywhere you go like you
00:18:22.720 couldn't see like a rest in peace Aussie
00:18:24.720 thing. So like it was pretty recently
00:18:26.400 after he passed. Um, changing gears a
00:18:29.280 little bit back to uh the new record.
00:18:31.280 The sample at the end of Angel uh that
00:18:36.000 was from a friend of Gabes uh his
00:18:39.520 funeral. Do I have that correct?
00:18:41.360 >> Um as a vocalist, how do you like
00:18:43.600 inhabit a song that carries that kind of
00:18:46.080 a you know a heavy real life artifact in
00:18:49.120 it? like when you I don't know how much
00:18:51.280 you've played that live yet, but when
00:18:53.280 when you're performing it, are do you
00:18:55.520 feel like you're carrying the weight of
00:18:57.039 of a memorial service or is it something
00:18:59.600 that you're able to like are you can you
00:19:01.600 compartmentalize that sentiment and just
00:19:03.919 deliver the goods now? Yeah, I think a
00:19:06.160 little bit of both, you know, like you
00:19:07.840 still feel the weight of that uh of all
00:19:10.559 the things that has happened, but then
00:19:12.400 like you just I feel like that's what
00:19:14.080 like putting it on record, you know,
00:19:15.760 like you're like this is it. And then
00:19:18.000 like when you're doing it live, it's
00:19:19.440 just like
00:19:20.320 >> when when I'm performing live, like
00:19:22.000 everything just shuts off kind of like I
00:19:24.160 like you could
00:19:24.960 >> you could ask me how the show went like
00:19:26.880 two minutes after I get off stage up. I
00:19:28.880 just it just shuts off. Like I had no
00:19:30.559 idea. Like so like it's just kind of
00:19:32.080 like you just kind of deliver live but
00:19:34.080 like you still feel some way like I mean
00:19:36.960 I think on previous records we kind of
00:19:38.559 had like similar samples where they're
00:19:40.480 like kind of like real and true to heart
00:19:42.960 but like it's just like it's kind of
00:19:45.120 like an ode in a way like you're just
00:19:47.280 like I've had this sitting here for like
00:19:49.280 you know voice memos or whatever for
00:19:50.960 such a long time like let's just sneak
00:19:53.120 it sneak it into like a ambient part on
00:19:55.360 the record and like no one really knows
00:19:56.880 what's going on but if they find out
00:19:58.960 cool you know. Yeah, on that same front,
00:20:02.480 great samples on this record. I love
00:20:05.039 them. They all just fit really well.
00:20:07.440 >> I think my favorite is like at the end
00:20:09.440 of the record after the final track.
00:20:11.360 It's just like a the pretty piano with
00:20:13.520 like the weird voice speaking. It's so
00:20:16.240 crazy.
00:20:16.880 >> Yeah.
00:20:17.280 >> I think that was a Randy.
00:20:19.520 >> No. What are you most proud of on on
00:20:21.280 this record? What is it that you when
00:20:22.960 you heard it complete, you just got
00:20:25.520 tingles,
00:20:26.320 >> man? I think really just the whole
00:20:29.360 record and the flow of the record cuz
00:20:31.919 like there's certain songs where like
00:20:35.280 you know like we kind of like put the
00:20:36.880 record out pretty fast and which I'm
00:20:38.799 kind of like pumped on cuz like I hate
00:20:41.360 sitting on like oh here's four singles
00:20:43.760 from the record like and then here's the
00:20:45.679 record like you already heard half of it
00:20:47.520 you know like so I think like doing the
00:20:49.360 two singles and then putting out you
00:20:51.360 know the full record and as like as
00:20:53.840 we're doing in the studio like we're
00:20:55.200 thinking of like transition itions and
00:20:56.799 like flow of the record. Like I feel
00:20:58.240 like that's how it should be listened
00:20:59.600 to, you know, like in a way all at once
00:21:01.840 like on a drive, whatever, whatever,
00:21:04.559 like on the treadmill at the gym or
00:21:06.559 lifting the heaviest weight you can,
00:21:08.159 whatever, you know, just all at once.
00:21:10.400 But yeah, just the the last song on the
00:21:12.559 record just kind of ties the whole
00:21:14.159 record together and then like ends just
00:21:17.360 like pretty big like kind of melodic
00:21:20.880 part and just like ends kind of abruptly
00:21:24.000 like after like the first listen for me
00:21:25.840 I'm like damn that's it like that's it
00:21:29.200 like it's crazy and awesome and then
00:21:31.520 boom they hit you with this crazy ending
00:21:33.760 and then it's like all right like it's
00:21:35.280 like a lot of emotions flowing there I
00:21:37.360 feel like you know
00:21:38.720 >> what is the um metal community mean to
00:21:41.520 you? And and I asked that because we
00:21:44.240 live in a a very kind of toxic divided
00:21:46.799 world and the one consistency I've seen
00:21:48.640 in my life is that the metal community
00:21:51.679 is always very accepting and you go to a
00:21:53.919 show and it's fun and you feel accepted
00:21:56.000 no matter who you are. But I'm just
00:21:57.679 curious what your perception is of it.
00:21:59.360 Yeah, I mean 100% like it's very
00:22:02.720 accepting just like I mean luckily
00:22:05.200 enough like this mu like playing music
00:22:09.280 like doing anything involved in music is
00:22:11.679 kind of like my life right now and like
00:22:13.840 that's all I ever like wanted and like
00:22:15.919 so it's like very accepting and just
00:22:18.159 like it it it's something that like I
00:22:20.559 found
00:22:22.320 >> very like at a young age and it's always
00:22:24.480 been super positive like whether like
00:22:26.640 going to shows like finding friends. Um,
00:22:29.760 it becoming like kind of a job, you
00:22:31.919 know, like it's just I don't know. It's
00:22:34.320 the things in this community are very
00:22:36.799 endless, you know, like like all my
00:22:39.039 friends that I've found growing up and
00:22:41.840 like we think the same like we like the
00:22:44.559 same stuff is all been through metal and
00:22:47.120 hardcore and punk, metal core, whatever
00:22:49.679 you want to call it. And it's like this
00:22:51.600 is great, man. Like there's nothing else
00:22:54.400 like if I could rewind and do it all
00:22:56.320 over again there pro I'd probably be the
00:22:58.559 same person I am today you know like
00:23:00.400 there's nothing else I would want to
00:23:01.760 change and it's it's awesome just cuz
00:23:04.240 you know music.
00:23:05.440 >> Yeah. You guys are known for having a a
00:23:08.080 pretty volatile and we'll call it
00:23:11.120 active. I've read the term violent live
00:23:13.440 shows but I don't I I don't think that's
00:23:15.600 probably an accurate term. But would you
00:23:18.159 say that uh I mean our experience with
00:23:20.320 metal shows and we've got we I think
00:23:21.840 Derrick and I probably have a couple of
00:23:23.200 years on you but our experience is in
00:23:25.360 the gnarliest pit at the craziest show
00:23:28.400 if you get floored by somebody there's
00:23:30.799 10 hands that immediately stick out and
00:23:32.960 pick you up which is one of the things
00:23:35.039 that I think we both love about the
00:23:37.600 metal community so much. Um pretty safe
00:23:40.799 to say that that your fans are are all
00:23:43.360 those hands are going right down to the
00:23:44.720 floor if somebody goes down too. Yeah, I
00:23:46.799 would say so. Pretty much like it really
00:23:49.840 it could go tour to tour, you know, like
00:23:51.840 if we're doing like a quote unquote
00:23:53.679 bigger metal hardcore whatever tour.
00:23:56.320 Like there's some fans that are like,
00:23:57.760 "Oh, like I hate the karate mosh pit.
00:24:00.000 Like just do whatever." But like in a
00:24:02.960 way it's like just everybody have fun,
00:24:05.280 take care of each other, like don't like
00:24:08.159 do anything you shouldn't be doing, but
00:24:10.400 like you know, still have fun. you know,
00:24:12.080 yeah, there's no rules, but a little bit
00:24:13.679 of rules, you know, like
00:24:15.279 >> just take care of each other, like have
00:24:17.120 a good time because like in in reality,
00:24:19.120 everyone has their own [ __ ] going on
00:24:21.679 outside of, you know, the world. As soon
00:24:24.320 as we're like in this room together,
00:24:25.840 like just just have fun, let loose.
00:24:28.320 Like, yeah, do whatever do whatever you
00:24:30.240 like to do, but take care of each other.
00:24:32.640 >> Yeah. You guys got a big tour coming up
00:24:34.640 starting in what, three, four days now
00:24:36.960 in Detroit, right?
00:24:38.400 >> Yeah, Detroit. It starts on the 31st.
00:24:42.400 Um, yeah, with Guild Trick and
00:24:43.840 Malevolence. It's gonna be pretty pretty
00:24:45.679 awesome.
00:24:46.240 >> Malevolence, one of my current
00:24:48.000 favorites, man. They uh their album was
00:24:50.320 right at the top of my album of the year
00:24:52.080 list. I was pumped when I saw you guys
00:24:54.159 were going out with them.
00:24:55.200 >> Yeah, listen to them quite a bit and
00:24:56.799 it's it's sweet. I'm excited to like see
00:24:58.799 it live. I've I've seen like the the
00:25:01.039 videos on YouTube and stuff, but like
00:25:02.960 feel like there's nothing better than
00:25:04.640 just seeing a live band. Yeah.
00:25:06.080 >> Yeah. You're starting you're starting
00:25:07.440 this tour at one of my I call it my home
00:25:09.440 venue. I'm a Michigan boy and uh St.
00:25:11.679 Andrews Hall is an amazing place. The
00:25:13.520 shelter is a great venues. I'm I'm
00:25:15.279 jealous that I won't be there to see
00:25:16.640 that.
00:25:17.120 >> Yeah, we played there a handful of
00:25:19.360 times. I think we've done downstairs
00:25:21.440 with the Acacia Strain. Uh I think we
00:25:24.640 did it with Counterparts and we played
00:25:26.559 upstairs with Alpha Wolf, which
00:25:28.720 >> was like, God, Alpha Wolf, what a band.
00:25:30.400 Yeah. Yeah. We played upstairs with them
00:25:32.159 and it was like I would say like top 20
00:25:34.480 shows for us. Not top 10, but like it
00:25:36.720 was crazy.
00:25:37.600 >> That's rad.
00:25:38.640 >> Yeah.
00:25:39.039 >> How do you know when a show is going to
00:25:40.480 be a top 10? Can you feel the energy as
00:25:42.720 soon as you come out?
00:25:43.679 >> Uh
00:25:45.600 honestly, it's so hard to like tell.
00:25:47.600 Like you can never tell really because
00:25:50.080 like it's just like like the crowd can
00:25:52.240 be there but then like you're just like,
00:25:53.760 "Oh, that was cool." And then like you
00:25:55.760 could play like it's weird because like
00:25:57.360 you could play to 800 to 900 people and
00:25:59.360 feel like it was like the worst show you
00:26:01.120 ever played, you know? And then like you
00:26:02.880 could play to like a hundred kids and
00:26:04.960 they're all just going insane and you're
00:26:06.880 like, "Wow, that's like that's all I
00:26:09.120 ever wanted, you know? Like it's really
00:26:11.840 hard to tell. Like and then like some
00:26:13.520 shows are like a not going to be good."
00:26:14.960 And it turns out to be like awesome, you
00:26:16.799 know?
00:26:17.120 >> Yeah. You Well, you guys have have
00:26:19.120 played live enough to have a a wide
00:26:21.039 enough frame of reference. What
00:26:23.039 constitutes a terrible night for you?
00:26:25.600 >> Oh man, honestly,
00:26:28.400 just I don't know really. I mean, this
00:26:31.279 is all every time we get to play, I'm
00:26:33.200 just like, "Oh, that was fun." Like, I
00:26:35.120 don't I don't really, you know, like I'm
00:26:36.720 glad to be here, you know, but like
00:26:40.159 >> I feel like there's no bad show. I mean,
00:26:42.400 there is. I mean like tech is it is it a
00:26:45.039 tech cuz surely there are yeah there are
00:26:48.000 some nights when you walk off and you
00:26:49.600 know you just [ __ ] killed it and
00:26:51.760 other nights where you walk off and go
00:26:53.360 yeah that was okay. Is it is it tech
00:26:55.679 issues or you know somebody has you know
00:26:59.200 something bad happened in in their life
00:27:01.600 and it affects the the overall
00:27:03.840 performance.
00:27:04.640 >> Probably just like tech issues like
00:27:07.279 maybe a bad sound guy that day and how
00:27:10.159 >> [ __ ] sound man
00:27:13.200 uh bad sound guy. There was a little bit
00:27:16.000 of feedback on the mic, you know, like
00:27:18.559 something just goofy like that or like,
00:27:21.279 you know, you like it could be a sick
00:27:23.360 set or and like you can just get off
00:27:25.039 stage and be like, "Wow, I like I
00:27:26.559 accidentally missed that vocal line. I
00:27:28.000 feel like shit." You know, like [ __ ]
00:27:29.840 >> Yeah.
00:27:30.720 >> Um but yeah, I mean most most of the
00:27:32.559 time like I feel like the first like
00:27:35.120 week you're kind of like getting clocked
00:27:37.039 in like you're doing it like you
00:27:39.039 practice but like it's still like you're
00:27:41.039 doing the shows, you Like it's not like
00:27:43.279 rehearsing is not like a show in my
00:27:45.679 opinion. Like it's just like you're
00:27:47.279 practicing but like the first like four
00:27:49.520 or five shows of a tour like you're just
00:27:51.440 like we're clocking back in. Like we're
00:27:53.200 getting locked in. We're getting dialed
00:27:54.640 and then like weeks after it's like oh
00:27:56.880 like this is it. Like we're we're locked
00:27:59.039 in, you know? Like
00:27:59.919 >> that's awesome. I have a dumb question.
00:28:01.600 Is are those tulips behind you? Behind
00:28:03.760 you?
00:28:04.240 >> Yeah.
00:28:04.720 >> Yeah, I think so.
00:28:07.679 >> It's very metal of you. We're talking
00:28:09.600 coffee. You've got a horse on your hat
00:28:11.360 and uh and tulips.
00:28:13.200 >> Oh yeah. Uh I'm at our guitar player's
00:28:15.919 house, so we're He's just got all kinds
00:28:18.559 of nice stuff going on in here.
00:28:20.559 >> I mean, it's very classy of you, you
00:28:22.080 know. I was Yeah. I was expecting you to
00:28:24.240 be coming in from a butcher shop or
00:28:25.919 something, you know, check it in from
00:28:27.360 there.
00:28:29.360 >> You uh uh I read somewhere you used to
00:28:32.240 uh like a lot of a lot of us, you had
00:28:34.480 normal regular jobs, and one of those
00:28:36.960 was at a restaurant, right?
00:28:39.279 Um, now that the bulk of your time is
00:28:42.240 being spent creating music, God bless
00:28:44.080 you for that. Um, when you when you're
00:28:46.720 live, when you're on stage, do you still
00:28:49.120 carry some of that like service job
00:28:51.440 mentality in terms of I'm here to
00:28:54.559 provide something to the to the people
00:28:56.640 that came to see us. Does that some of
00:28:58.799 that like I want to provide a good
00:29:00.480 experience for these people. Does that
00:29:02.320 is that the forefront of your mind or
00:29:04.720 are you at the point? Yeah. I mean, I
00:29:06.399 would assume you probably always there,
00:29:09.120 you know, nobody wants to get on stage
00:29:10.559 and go like, "Ah, [ __ ] it." You know,
00:29:11.840 I'm not worried about it tonight. But,
00:29:13.600 >> yeah.
00:29:14.000 >> How how much of that is conscious for
00:29:15.600 you anymore versus maybe when you guys
00:29:17.919 were just ramping up and rolling?
00:29:20.080 >> Um, I think it's like always there, you
00:29:21.919 know, like I feel like everyone that
00:29:23.760 works like a service job always kind of
00:29:26.399 carries that with him no matter what.
00:29:29.279 >> Just because like it's it's it's like a
00:29:31.039 thing. like it's just it's not like it's
00:29:33.760 just something that like it's you you
00:29:36.480 you kind of like learn, you know, how to
00:29:38.240 be good at and then you just kind of
00:29:40.320 take it. Um but yeah, like I mean I
00:29:43.279 always want to give the best I can like
00:29:45.440 whether you know the show's not as good
00:29:47.279 as you thought it would be, but like
00:29:48.480 you're still going to give it your all
00:29:49.760 cuz like people are there to see you,
00:29:51.200 people are there to you know enjoy your
00:29:52.960 set and like you want to give it your
00:29:54.720 100% no matter what. And then even when
00:29:56.559 it comes down to like you know venue
00:29:58.559 staff and like you know the bartenders
00:30:00.799 or whoever's taking care of us like for
00:30:02.960 green room stuff or anything like that
00:30:04.640 just like be as nice as possible because
00:30:06.480 like you know like you know like even in
00:30:08.080 like the service industry when you're
00:30:09.919 working like you never know like what
00:30:11.440 people are going through when they sit
00:30:13.120 down to come in and eat like
00:30:14.720 >> just like be as nice as you can and
00:30:16.559 that's like something I always like
00:30:18.000 carry with me like treat treat people
00:30:20.000 like that how you want to be treated
00:30:21.760 even like at the merch table and stuff
00:30:23.200 like
00:30:23.840 >> some people can get out of hand and
00:30:25.360 you're like, "All right, all right,
00:30:26.880 relax." But like, you know, just be be
00:30:28.880 nice cuz, you know, everyone's like a
00:30:30.320 little excited to be there and uh yeah,
00:30:32.799 just treat everyone how you would like
00:30:34.240 to be treated, you know?
00:30:35.279 >> Yeah. It's rad as a as a concert goer.
00:30:38.080 It's awesome that you and other bands,
00:30:40.399 we've talked to some other folks who who
00:30:42.480 do the exact same thing you do. They go
00:30:44.000 out and work work the merch table
00:30:45.600 afterwards. It is, it's fantastic as a
00:30:48.480 fan to get to go out and, you know, have
00:30:51.360 a chat with, you know, your idol or
00:30:54.320 somebody who you just really respect or
00:30:56.240 enjoy their stuff. So, uh, no question
00:30:58.880 there. Just appreciate that you are
00:31:01.200 willing to go out and do that,
00:31:02.640 especially when especially as a
00:31:04.480 vocalist, the last thing you want to do
00:31:06.399 is go out there and have to talk over
00:31:08.080 the noise when you need to protect that
00:31:10.240 instrument. So, we thank you for that.
00:31:12.559 >> For sure. For sure. It's always like
00:31:14.320 it's just been what we've done like for
00:31:16.960 a long time and like
00:31:19.600 if we got like bigger and like things
00:31:21.679 started getting you know crazy maybe
00:31:24.159 eventually we'd be like all right like
00:31:25.440 we could hire someone but like at this
00:31:27.840 point in our career I feel like everyone
00:31:30.240 can take a little bit of turns and you
00:31:31.919 know sell some t-shirts talk to talk to
00:31:34.320 people that enjoy our music and you know
00:31:36.640 connect and uh I think that's the cool
00:31:38.720 thing about like you know metal and in
00:31:40.960 hardcore and stuff like most times
00:31:42.799 growing up like
00:31:45.440 even if like they weren't selling their
00:31:47.039 own merch like they had like their their
00:31:49.279 best friend growing up selling their
00:31:50.720 merch and like the vocalist would be
00:31:52.080 there just hanging out you know like
00:31:53.760 >> this is this is something that you don't
00:31:55.600 see I feel like in other genres as much
00:31:58.559 and uh
00:31:59.919 >> you don't get to connect as much you
00:32:01.600 know like
00:32:03.120 >> and like even like back to like the good
00:32:05.360 show bad show I would say what makes the
00:32:08.080 best show is no barricade just cuz like
00:32:10.320 you're on the same level you're just up
00:32:13.279 there just hanging out. Even like well
00:32:15.360 if the stage is too big it's kind of
00:32:17.519 weird but then like if you're just like
00:32:19.200 you're like up front and everyone's face
00:32:21.279 like I feel like that that could make
00:32:22.880 the best show over like
00:32:25.120 >> 2000 cap with like the craziest setup
00:32:28.000 you ever seen you know like
00:32:29.600 >> would you prefer to and you're you guys
00:32:32.080 are fast approaching the point where
00:32:33.519 you're not going to be able to do this
00:32:36.080 but it sounds like you still appreciate
00:32:38.799 the opportunity to play a floor level
00:32:40.640 show.
00:32:41.360 >> Oh yeah. where you're literally right
00:32:43.039 there with the people.
00:32:44.240 >> Yeah. Yeah. When when it's like we we
00:32:47.039 did like a a headliner like a twoe
00:32:50.480 headliner like last year I think and
00:32:52.799 like when it came down to booking those
00:32:54.159 shows I was like I want the smallest
00:32:56.080 rooms possible like and just have fun.
00:32:59.200 Like I don't I don't care about the big
00:33:01.120 money like whatever you can get us like
00:33:03.120 just book us a good show and everybody
00:33:06.320 have fun. And then like some of those
00:33:07.760 rooms are like 200 cap floor show, you
00:33:09.919 know, and like it's it's fun. Like this
00:33:11.840 the stages are cool because like then
00:33:13.440 you can have like stage divers and stuff
00:33:15.120 like that. But then like there's nothing
00:33:16.960 cooler like just playing like everyone
00:33:20.559 growing growing up like it was always
00:33:22.480 like DIY shows, you know? Like I
00:33:24.399 remember like throwing me and my friend
00:33:26.399 his mom had a garage and we would like
00:33:28.080 throw shows in his garage like whether
00:33:29.600 it be local bands or like traveling
00:33:31.919 bands and like it just like that's what
00:33:33.840 I grew up doing. So, it's like pretty
00:33:35.919 cool to still do. Like I we played
00:33:38.399 Jacksonville, Florida in like a
00:33:40.080 restaurant before and it was just like
00:33:42.080 insane. Like some of the some crazy
00:33:44.240 stuff going on. So, those those are
00:33:46.320 pretty fun.
00:33:47.039 >> That's cool.
00:33:47.760 >> Well, I know that my 12-year-old is
00:33:49.679 excited and is hoping that you get to
00:33:52.320 New England at some point and uh I know
00:33:54.799 that John would love it if you made it
00:33:56.240 down to Florida and he'll come out and
00:33:57.600 say hi. Yes.
00:33:58.640 >> Um, is there anything else beyond the
00:34:00.720 tour that you have that you can announce
00:34:02.320 right now or is is there plans to to do
00:34:05.279 more dates?
00:34:06.159 >> Uh, there like we definitely have some
00:34:08.960 stuff um being worked on. Uh, nothing
00:34:12.800 like set in stone yet. I mean, we
00:34:14.800 definitely want to, you know, do as much
00:34:16.719 like I feel like in the past like we
00:34:18.320 haven't done as much off records as we
00:34:20.320 should have. Whether it be like, you
00:34:22.639 know, we were we're kind of busy doing
00:34:24.480 live or, you know, like nothing was
00:34:27.599 really happening or just like I don't
00:34:29.520 know. But like with this record, we want
00:34:31.199 to do as much as possible. And uh, you
00:34:33.359 know, we have the tour coming up in a
00:34:35.599 couple days. And I I think we want to
00:34:37.839 try to make it to Europe, whether it be,
00:34:40.719 you know, this year, early next year.
00:34:42.960 And we definitely want to do more stuff
00:34:44.320 in the States, whether it be soon or
00:34:47.280 like at the end of the year. We
00:34:48.399 definitely want to just keep busy. Um
00:34:50.239 maybe do some like weekender stuff
00:34:51.839 oursel, you know, and if nothing comes
00:34:54.159 down, like if nothing like big support
00:34:56.399 tour happens, then we'll just be like,
00:34:57.920 "Fuck it. Let's do a headliner, you
00:34:59.440 know, like got to stay out there and do
00:35:01.680 stuff."
00:35:02.160 >> That's rad. What do you do when you're
00:35:04.079 not working in the musical arena? What
00:35:07.040 are you doing in your downtime when you
00:35:08.640 just need to shut your brain off? Are
00:35:10.560 you watching, you know, bad reality TV
00:35:13.359 or playing Candy Crush? What are you
00:35:15.200 doing?
00:35:16.000 uh mix of playing video games uh and
00:35:19.920 watching bad reality TV with okay
00:35:22.640 >> my partner uh we just watched uh that
00:35:25.839 traitor show. It's really it's bad but
00:35:29.040 it's funny. Like
00:35:30.640 >> I I I found good I found like it's bad
00:35:34.720 but also good. And like the secondhand
00:35:37.040 embarrassment you get from that stuff is
00:35:38.880 like pretty insane. But yeah, like I
00:35:41.599 play video games a lot. um try to keep
00:35:44.480 busy going to the gym as much as I can
00:35:47.119 and uh you know staying active cuz like
00:35:50.480 you know when when you're on tour it's
00:35:53.520 like a lot of work but it's still it's
00:35:55.839 like a lot of people are like it's it's
00:35:57.599 like it's tour you know like you're
00:35:59.119 playing music it's fun it's still work
00:36:01.040 >> it's work yeah
00:36:01.680 >> and it's and it's long days and so when
00:36:03.839 I get home it's like I can decompress
00:36:06.560 and like even like the last like three
00:36:08.800 or four days like my body was being like
00:36:11.839 oh you're going on tour cuz I wasn't
00:36:13.440 waking up early and like it was getting
00:36:16.160 ready for my late my early mornings,
00:36:18.320 late drives, like it was just getting
00:36:20.000 ready.
00:36:20.560 >> Yeah. Oh, that's wild. Derek, you got
00:36:22.560 anything else uh before we get to
00:36:24.240 quickies?
00:36:24.960 >> No, I know you like your quickies, but I
00:36:26.720 will say this to you, Jacob. I hope for
00:36:29.119 you and I I have no doubt that this is
00:36:31.040 going to happen. Um, you know, there I
00:36:33.440 hope you have the career path that
00:36:34.720 Converg has had, and I think based on
00:36:36.960 this record, this is going to be a
00:36:38.400 catapult forward for you. And man, it's
00:36:41.040 a great one. and uh and I can't wait to
00:36:43.119 see it live.
00:36:43.839 >> Thank you, man. Thank you guys so much.
00:36:45.520 >> Well, for those who uh don't have an
00:36:47.359 opportunity to get out and see you live,
00:36:49.280 where can they pick up merch?
00:36:50.880 >> Um we have a web store with PureNoise
00:36:53.280 right now that is selling the record and
00:36:55.680 selling some merch. So, this is like
00:36:57.599 chamber615.com
00:36:59.520 and you can pick up the records, CDs.
00:37:01.520 There's a couple designs on there, I
00:37:03.119 think. And like we'll always do like the
00:37:05.040 tour leftovers if we have any. We'll
00:37:06.960 throw them up on like a on our stories
00:37:08.800 and sell them. Um, I think that's
00:37:11.119 another thing we're going to try to be
00:37:12.560 like more more into doing like some
00:37:14.960 merch drops and stuff. Usually like we
00:37:16.720 like to keep it just like here's a few
00:37:18.800 items and then everything else you can
00:37:21.119 only buy on tour cuz like I I like the
00:37:23.359 exclusiveness of that, you know. Um, but
00:37:26.560 people like merch so maybe we'll do like
00:37:28.640 an online store some sometime in the
00:37:30.880 future.
00:37:31.359 >> Yeah. Well, I don't think a lot of
00:37:32.560 people understand the cost for merch
00:37:36.320 too. It is really expensive. It's not
00:37:39.680 like, you know, that and that's why you
00:37:42.240 go to a show and you go to buy a t-shirt
00:37:43.839 or a sweatshirt and it's 40, 50, 60
00:37:46.079 bucks. It costs a lot of money to get
00:37:48.240 those things produced. So,
00:37:50.000 >> it's awesome that you guys are, you
00:37:51.440 know, doing cool stuff with it,
00:37:52.800 >> right? It's very it's it's how you make
00:37:55.599 the money on tour, but like it's also
00:37:57.760 how you spend money. Like you got to pay
00:37:59.760 the graphic artist, you got to print it,
00:38:01.680 you got to you know, it's it's uh I
00:38:03.920 don't know. It's But we we try to keep
00:38:05.599 the cost like pretty low. like when you
00:38:07.839 get on the like bigger size of things
00:38:10.000 like it's hard because then you got like
00:38:11.359 the merch cuts and the venues taking
00:38:13.520 money and stuff like that. But like as
00:38:15.839 long as there's none of that, we'll try
00:38:18.079 to keep it as affordable as possible
00:38:20.079 just cuz like I mean first of all like
00:38:21.680 you're already coming to the show
00:38:23.680 >> that that means the world to like any
00:38:25.280 band, you know, like showing up is like
00:38:26.960 the main part, you know, but if anyone
00:38:29.280 decides to support and buy a t-shirt,
00:38:31.359 like you try we'll try to keep it as low
00:38:33.440 as possible.
00:38:34.079 >> Awesome. Well, this last section is what
00:38:36.880 we call quickies. They are this or that
00:38:39.440 questions. You can keep your answers as
00:38:41.599 short as you want or expound, whatever
00:38:44.480 you like. We're going to try and not tax
00:38:46.720 you too hard, but uh
00:38:48.720 >> so here we go. Uh live music or studio
00:38:51.760 recordings as far as as a listener.
00:38:54.079 Live.
00:38:54.880 >> Live music 100%.
00:38:56.800 >> All right. Uh a cabin in the woods or a
00:38:59.440 penthouse in the city?
00:39:00.640 >> Cabin in the woods for sure.
00:39:02.240 >> Okay. Uh, cook at home or order in
00:39:05.119 delivery?
00:39:05.760 >> I like to cook. Cooking is nice,
00:39:07.680 especially like
00:39:09.920 >> nothing too special. I I just stick to
00:39:12.400 chicken and rice or ground beef and
00:39:14.560 rice, but I like to just have it, you
00:39:16.880 know, at home. I mean, I do like to eat
00:39:18.480 out like certain things like before I
00:39:21.599 leave for tour. I'm like, I need this
00:39:23.200 before I leave because I'm not going to
00:39:24.560 have it for a month. Most of the time
00:39:26.320 I'm just like eat like every morning
00:39:28.160 just cooked breakfast and then you know
00:39:31.040 have the same same variations of the two
00:39:34.000 meals. Chicken and rice, vegetables,
00:39:36.640 beef and rice vegetables.
00:39:38.160 >> You're way more sophisticated than John.
00:39:40.160 He eats jelly beans, milk, and smoked
00:39:42.160 cigarettes. That's about it.
00:39:43.520 >> Oh, and country time. Still waiting to
00:39:46.079 hear back from you guys, too.
00:39:48.320 >> Uh, all right. Um, fiction or
00:39:50.480 non-fiction?
00:39:53.200 >> Crap. Non-fiction. Non-fiction.
00:39:55.200 Non-fiction. Okay. Hot or cold?
00:39:56.960 >> Uh, cold all the way. I hate being hot.
00:39:59.680 >> All right. Uh, would you rather visit
00:40:01.280 the past or see the future?
00:40:03.119 >> Uh, see the future for sure.
00:40:05.599 >> Okay. Uh, would you rather be the first
00:40:07.839 person on a new planet or the last
00:40:10.000 person on Earth?
00:40:11.040 >> First person, I think. I don't know. I I
00:40:14.320 I have there's like a fear of being
00:40:16.480 alone. I think, you know, like that
00:40:18.480 would kind of be scary, but then I guess
00:40:20.400 you're alone on both of
00:40:22.079 >> either either case. You're by yourself.
00:40:23.680 Yeah.
00:40:24.000 >> Yeah. both of them suck.
00:40:26.240 >> But I I like if I'm the first person,
00:40:28.720 it's kind of nice cuz you're like
00:40:30.160 hopeful there's people coming after, but
00:40:33.119 if you're the last person, you know,
00:40:34.880 there's no more people. So,
00:40:37.440 >> all right. Uh the smell of old paper or
00:40:41.119 the smell of rain on hot pavement.
00:40:43.520 >> I think probably rain on the hot
00:40:45.920 pavement. I don't think it smells too
00:40:47.520 bad, but I don't really know what old
00:40:48.960 paper smells.
00:40:49.920 >> Yeah. Think of like an old book like in
00:40:51.760 an antique store or something. That kind
00:40:53.599 of dusty smell.
00:40:55.520 >> Yeah. All the antique stores have that
00:40:57.440 smell that I don't really like going
00:40:58.880 into. So,
00:41:00.319 >> yeah. Yeah. Let's just stick with the
00:41:01.920 rain.
00:41:02.560 >> All right. Cool. Cool. Uh, the echo or
00:41:05.520 the silence that precedes the echo?
00:41:08.720 >> Definitely the echo.
00:41:09.839 >> Nice. And uh, last one. Fate or chaos?
00:41:13.200 >> Crap. Let's just go chaos just because
00:41:16.480 >> it's fitting.
00:41:17.440 >> Yeah, it's fitting. It's fitting. It's
00:41:19.359 fitting though, and I said this when we
00:41:21.280 reviewed uh the album, Your Chaos is
00:41:24.800 highly refined chaos, which I think is
00:41:27.839 fantastic. And I think that's one of the
00:41:29.599 reasons that this record is, you know, I
00:41:32.480 don't it's kind of an achievement. you
00:41:34.640 know, you guys have taken this style and
00:41:37.040 and you continue to develop this style
00:41:40.560 >> and I think for some folks it's it's
00:41:43.359 probably a little too much, but my god
00:41:45.599 man, there is like the madness that is
00:41:48.319 this album is anchored very very well
00:41:51.359 and the mix on it. Who mixed it by the
00:41:53.280 way?
00:41:53.599 >> Randy.
00:41:54.319 >> Randy mixed it too.
00:41:55.520 >> Yeah. phenomenal job in keeping
00:41:58.880 something so wild and hairy so pulled
00:42:02.160 together and tight and centered and
00:42:03.920 anchored.
00:42:04.880 >> Um, and you get a lot of respect for for
00:42:08.720 that because it is a phenomenal piece of
00:42:11.359 work.
00:42:11.920 >> And I will say this, I've seen Converge
00:42:13.599 a million times. I lived in Boston for
00:42:15.520 17 years and they're always, you know,
00:42:17.680 out and about there. Um, and this record
00:42:20.880 to me just it was on par if not beyond
00:42:24.000 what Converge has done because of the
00:42:26.000 fact that it's so clean and accessible.
00:42:27.920 You can hear everything going on and
00:42:30.640 it's great. It's fantastic to just to
00:42:33.200 echo what what what John said. So,
00:42:35.760 >> um, you know, sky's the limit. I can't
00:42:37.599 wait to see you guys ascend.
00:42:38.960 >> Thank you guys so much for real.
00:42:40.480 >> Absolutely. Well, listen, man, you have
00:42:41.839 been very generous with your time. We
00:42:43.280 know you need to sleep because you're
00:42:44.800 going to be a very busy guy here in just
00:42:47.119 a couple of days. So, we appreciate you
00:42:49.119 coming and hanging out with us for a
00:42:50.319 bit.
00:42:50.560 >> Yeah.
00:42:50.800 >> Thank you guys for having me, man. I
00:42:52.079 appreciate it.
00:42:52.800 >> Awesome. Thank you so much.
00:42:54.079 >> Thank you.